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What if cause itself is just a matter of viewpoint?

 

 

"The undescribable" - the subjective universe
"Pick your choice" - the acausal universe
David Bohm on classical and quantum physics
Victor Mansfield on quantum physics and astrology
 
 
This site, MetaphorMachine, is dedicated to comparing incompatible worlds. We deal with the way science influences our world view and thus our way of handling problems and perceiving nature around us. Most of the articles are in danish, but some of it has been translated into english and can be found on this page. The new discoveries of quantum physics along with the ancient wisdom of astrology will be used among others to set our usual outlook in relief.
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The undescribable
Nowadays we tend to meet the statement of "objective truth" with a good deal of skepticism - who's objective, anyway? But still, we don't have much to replace it with. "A detached view" is still something desirable - as if nothing good comes out of attachment. Nevertheless - through the second half of this millenium (and now that we're reaching the end of it a broader view might be in order) we have been quite strongly attached to the fight against some dangerous diseases and the strive for technical progress in order to make life less toilsome and more fun for a great number of people. One might say that part of these efforts has paid off, though we got ourself some new challenges in addition, like the atomic bomb, and one of the primary tools in getting there has been experimental science, as it emerged after the Renaissance. Now a retrospect might be useful - a looking back to the time before the merge of modern science in order to compare it with ancient world schemes, as it can be found e.g. in astrology - and to the 'future' by looking at quantum physics - based on the assumption that we in our effort to reach these goals have lost some valuable perspectives somewhere along the path. Regarding the scientific approach two aspects in particular I think is worth mentioning:
  1. The notion that objectivity is an ideal we should reach as far as possible
  2. The notion that all movement is build on causality, as correlations unfolding in time and space, and can be described with the aid of exact causal laws
These are two of the main aspects establishing the scientific methods and thus the way we experiment with the world around us, and they have given a vast contribution to our understanding of the physical world. The seamy side of the matter corresponding to these notions would then be:
  1. Incapability in dealing with a subjective universe, i.e. a sudden amount of ignorance regarding the handling of angles and views and how they influence our perception and the results that we get from our experiments
  2. Incapabilities in perceiving and investigating those correlations and regularities that are non-causal, i.e. which do not unfold in time and space and where no exact identification of cause and effect can be established.
Where the above notions do not exist in ancient theoretical systems one could assume that the corresponding limitations do not exist either. Astrology is such an ancient system, created on other assumptions, including total subjectivity as one of its premises. Based entirely on symbols the subjective world view is built-in, so to speak, with no objectivity possible.

As odd as it may seem this view of the world corresponds nicely to the world view of quantum physics. Here they have found contradictions to these very two notions - objectivity and causality - and has been forced to move on to a subjective universe, based on other assumptions and other ideals, trying to make something useful from their findings without any exact description of causal laws.

Here lies one of the intriguing aspects of comparing these different world views, so distant from each other in time. In their outlook astrology and quantum physics offer numerous points of resemblance.
By choosing symbols as the description tool astrology declares the notion that a view always are to be established, in other words: reality has to be interpreted. Why? Because whatever we do we always have an angle to things, and a demand for objectivity would therefore be just an attempt to bend reality into something it is not. In other words - creating an illusion as the tool with which to seek the truth.
In a subjective world where phenomena depends on your point of view, a unique description of each phenomenon is not possible and therefore symbolic language might very well be the most fitting terminology, i.e. the nomenclature that corresponds to the way things in fact are.
The electron can be a particle or it can be a wave, says the qauntum physicist - it all depends on your point of view. In fact we don't have any clue what the electron really is. We could name it "Mike" - or we could use a symbol for its representation in order to declare that something exists. For this we know: that something exists. Because it leaves its trace in the world. But what this "something"s actual, objective properties are - that we cannot know. Because we always examine it from a viewpoint.
Strange things happen when comparing astrology and quantum physics. But if this ancient system are to correlate with our knowledge today one has to grasp the meaning not only of the subjective universe but of the acausal universe as well.
 
The "acausal" world view
We bring along with us from the days of Newton the notion that there must always exist some kind of "straight line" stretched between cause and effect, and this notion makes it difficult, to put it mildly, for a scientific mind to accept the assumption of any correlation between the planets and life on Earth, even as a hypothesis. This assumption would not only mean that there had to be some kind of invisible, non-detectable rays from the planets to Earth - it would also mean that our behavoiur were being governed by these planets - much the same way that some genealogists assume that we're governed by our genes. Why? Because classical physics dictates that there have to be a cause-and-effect relationship. And since we are not governing the planets (I had Pluto go into Scorpio by starting my therapy sessions) - the planets must be governing us.
 
These notions of rays and governing could be seen as the result - not of astrology, but of the Newtonian world view which dictates that these correlations must exist between elements in the physical world.
But what if this notion is just one approach to reality? What if nature also holds acausal correlations - where the related behaviour of two elements is not the result of one governing the other but rather they are like reflecting images - a mark of natures own symbolism?
What if cause itself is just a matter of viewpoint?
It's a fact that the amount of serotonin in the brain can affect your psychological condition. But then again, it's also a fact that your psychological condition affects the amount of serotonin in the brain. Which is the cause - and which the effect? Pick your choice. If instead we are dealing with an interplay we're not in a position to examine it, because the two elements reside in different branches of science. Alas, one of the seamy sides.
 
For now - here is David Bohm's description of the differences between classical and quantum physics. The full text can be found at
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~biggus/physics/bohm.html
 
David Bohm
We begin with a brief summary contrasting classical and quantum concepts. Classical concepts are characterized by three assumptions concerning the properties of matter:
  1. The world can be analyzed into distinct elements.
  2. The state of each element can be described in terms of dynamical variables that are specifiable with arbitrarily high precision.
  3. The interrelationship between parts of asystem can be described with the aid of exact causal laws that define the changes of the above dynamical variables with time in terms of their initial values. The behavior of the system as a whole can be regarded as the result of the interaction of all of its parts.

It is characteristic of the classical domain that within it exist objects, phenomena, and events that are distinct and well-defined and that exihibit reliable and reproducible properties with the aid of which they can be identified and compared. It is this aspect of the world that is most readily described in terms of our customary scientific language, in which the ideal is to express every concept in terms of well-defined elements with well-defined logical relationships between them.

When we come to describe quantum concepts, however, we find that just because our customary scientific language aims for such precision, it leads to difficult and unwieldy modes of expression. For as we have seen, the quantum properties of matter are to be associated with incompletely defined potentialities, which can be more definitely realized only in interaction with a classically describable system (a special case of which is a measuring apparatus). Because even the so-called "intrinsic" properties of a system (e.g., wave or particle) are brought out only in interactions with other systems, it is clear that the quantum properties have contradicted assumptions (1) and (2) of the classical theory, since there exist at the quantum level neither well-defined elements nor well-defined dynamical variables, which describe the bahavior of these elements. It is not surprising, then, that assumption (3) is also not satisfied in the quantum theory, since exact causal laws would be meaningless in a context in which there were no precisely defined variables to which they could apply.

Victor Mansfield

Physics and Astronomy Department Colgate University Hamilton, NY
vmansfield@colgate.edu

talks about the correlation between quantum physics and astrology:
 

"I do not believe that astrological influence works through a physical mechanism between a planet and person. Such explanations have their roots in a Newtonian view of a world of independent objects that causally influence each other.By causal influence, I mean one well-defined thing effecting another by an exchange of energy or information, such as the sun and moon's gravitational field causing the tides or, more psychologically, my anxiety causing my blood pressure to rise. Such causal interactions are a far cry from the acausality, nonlocality, and participatory nature of the quantum mechanical view of nature. It's not just that the Cartesian/Newtonian view is old fashioned and quantum mechanics is both more current and accurate in every sense of the word. Equally important, since astrology presupposes a unified view of the world, it is best understood through a quantum view of the world that has acausal interconnectedness, observer dependence, and unity at its core.

 
Although I know of no quantum mechanical explanation for astrological influence, since the quantum worldview is so much more appropriate (than the Newtonian) as a starting point for its discussion, I will very briefly summarize three of its key features. First, quantum mechanics is radically acausal. Despite its unprecedented accuracy and vast applicability, individual events do not have well-defined causes. It teaches us that lawfulness in nature does not require causality-an important lesson for astrology.

Plotinus, the greatest Neoplatonist of the second century, long before quantum mechanics, proposed an acausal understanding of astrology in his beautiful tractate entitled "Are the stars causes?" There he argues that the stars are signifiers, announcers, or symbols, but not causes of our destiny. Unfortunately, this message is easily lost as the old woodcut shows. Perhaps the neutrinos are to blame.

Second, objects in quantum mechanics cannot always be localized in finite regions of space and time. For example, certain correlated systems of particles, that are carefully studied in the so-called Bell Inequality experiments, appear to instantaneously communicate between the parts of the correlated system. In other words, what happens in a region, say at one end of the lab, instantaneously effects what happens at the other end and vice versa. Amazingly, the correlation does not diminish with increasing distance, nor is it a causal connection. There is no energy or information exchange between the parts. Much more needs to be said about this deeply mysterious phenomenon than I can say here, but let me characterize it with the following brief statement. Nonlocality teaches that the relationship between parts is more fundamental, more real, than the isolated identity of the parts. From an astrological perspective, we could say that our relationship to the cosmos is more fundamental, more real than our isolated existence.

Extracts from a plenary talk presented at the Cycles and Symbols Conference San Francisco, February 14-16, 1997

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